Has Katie Maloney had a change of heart when it comes to Jo Wenberg? Sort of — and it’s all because of what she described as Tom Schwartz’s “f-boy behavior.”

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It turns out that watching Season 11 of Vanderpump Rules back has allowed Katie to empathize more with Jo.

“I don’t think any of us really knew what was truly going on with the two of them because we were getting a very different version or really no information from Tom about what was happening,” Katie recently told Us Weekly. “Seeing their dynamic and seeing how they were together and getting kind of Jo’s perspective on the whole thing was very eye-opening.”

She continued, “I kind of did feel for her because he was giving her the runaround and bread crumbing her a bit, and it made me feel a little sad because she did have an investment in him and real feelings there.”

Katie went on to reveal that she even talked to Schwartz about the situation. As for what she said? “I think I told him it was a bit of a f-boy behavior.”

Tom Schwartz and Jo Wenberg’s Relationship

Schwartz, for his part, shared new insight into his relationship with Jo during the April 16 episode of Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen.

More specifically, when asked if he believes that he “led Jo on,” Schwartz said, “I don’t like that narrative, honestly. We had such a good time together and it was a mutually beneficial, super fun relationship — well, I don’t know if it was a relationship [or a] situationship. It was fun and we had a good run while it lasted.

“We were fond of each other,” Schwartz concluded. “I think it was some sort of shade of love but I don’t think it was the real article.”

Hear more from Schwartz (and his castmates) on both Vanderpump Rules and the Vanderpump Rules After Show.